Saturday, October 24, 2009

If some saw god and eyewitness him would it be fair to be asked to believe in that god without seeing him?

And now you have come to Us singly, as We created you the first time, and you have left what We conferred on you behind your backs; and We do not see with you your intercessors whom you claimed to be associates amongst you; it has been severed between you, and that which you claimed has failed you.





[6:95]


God it is Who splits the grain and the date-stone. He brings forth the living from the dead, and is the Bringer-forth of the dead from the living. That is God. How then are you deluded?





[6:96]


He is the Cleaver of the daybreak and He has appointed the night for stillness and the sun and the moon for reckoning. That is the ordaining of the Mighty, the Knowing.





[6:97]


And He it is Who appointed for you the stars that you may guide your course by them amid the darkness of land and sea. Verily We have distinguished the signs for a people who have knowledge.





[6:98]


And He it is Who produced you from a single soul, such that some are established and some are deposited. Verily We have distinguished the signs for a people who understand.





[6:99]


And He it is Who sent down water from the heaven and therewith We bring forth plants of every kind, and therefrom We bring forth verdure, bringing forth from it thick-clustered grain, and from the palm-tree from its pollen spring bunches of dates, bunched up, and gardens of grapes, and olives, and pomegranates, similar, but not alike. Look upon their fruits when they have borne fruit, and their ripening. Surely, in all that are signs for a people who believe.





[6:100]


Yet they ascribe to God as associates the jinn, even though He created them. And they falsely impute to Him sons and daughters without any knowledge. Glory be to Him and exalted be He above what they describe!





[6:101]


The Originator of the heavens and the earth; how should He have a son, when He has no consort, and He created everything, and He has knowledge of all things?





[6:102]


That then is God, your Lord. There is no god but Him, the Creator of all things. So worship Him. And He is Guardian over all things.





[6:103]


Vision cannot attain Him, but He attains [all] vision. And He is the Subtle, the Aware.





[6:104]


Clear proofs have come to you from your Lord; whoever perceives, then it is for his own good; and whoever is blind, then it will be to his own hurt. And I am not a keeper over you.





[6:105]


And so, We dispense the signs, and that they may say, 'You have studied with someone', and that We may make it clear for a people who have knowledge.





[6:106]


Follow what has been revealed to you from your Lord. There is no god but Him; and turn away from the idolaters.





[6:107]


Had God willed, they would not have been idolaters; and We have not set you as a keeper over them; nor are you a guardian over them.





[6:108]


Do not revile those whom they call upon, besides God, lest they then revile God out of spite, through ignorance. So, We have adorned for every community their deeds; then to their Lord they shall return, and He will tell them what they used to do.





[6:109]


They have sworn by God the most earnest oaths that if there came to them a sign, they will believe in it. Say, 'Signs are only with God'. But what will make you realise? Truly, when they come, they will not believe.





[6:110]


And We shall confound their hearts and their eyes; just as they did not believe in it the first time; and We shall leave them in their insolence, wandering blindly.

If some saw god and eyewitness him would it be fair to be asked to believe in that god without seeing him?
Allah's swt. signs are enough for me like I have seen Him, innsha'Allah. Also it is in my subconscious, that I had made an oath to be worshipper of Him alone, during my Soul shaped zone of life span (Aalim al-arwah).





Thanks brother.
Reply:too long...too much





extraordinary claims require extraordinary EVIDENCE!





eye witness is not used much because it's rarely right.
Reply:You do not need to see God to Believe He is there. Seeing is not believing. Believing is seeing.
Reply:I believe it is fair, and I did not even read your rant. All I needed to see was the question.
Reply:No. It sounds like rantings from some delusional guy living in a cave.














There is no god, never was, never will be.





There will be peace without religion.
Reply:Yes I believe it is fair, because Jesus says that we will be blessed if we believe even though we can not see. God is good. He never breaks his promises to any one. He loves the whole world even though we put him to death for it. Thankfully he rose again and he is and forever will be the living savior. Mine and yours alike.
Reply:If someone have seen G-d, then it is not G-d.


Philiosophy teaches that the First Cause lacks in material form bcoz the Prime cause isn't part of the Universe.


Everything is universe but the Prime Cause.


Jesus' body isn't G-d either, but rather it is a puppet or the so called incarnate of the First Cause.
Reply:If i believe that pigs can fly, that means I see flying pigs. Does that not make me sound delirious?
Reply:I believe it was the God Yahweh Himself who made the law in The Laws of Moses that says for a conviction to be considered true in a court of law. There must be three eye witnesses for the story to be true. How many eye witnesses claimed they saw Jesus perform miracles only God Himself could make? Thousands? I guess it would be fair to expect the rest of mankind to believe on the testimony of all these eye witnesses with out us being there.
Reply:No. Please see David Hume's Enquiry: On Miracles:





http://www.soci.niu.edu/~phildept/Dye/Hu...





"We entertain a suspicion concerning any matter of fact, when the witnesses contradict each other; when they are but few, or of a doubtful character; when they have an interest in what they affirm; when they deliver their testimony with hesitation, or on the contrary, with too violent asseverations. There are many other particulars of the same kind, which may diminish or destroy the force of any argument, derived from human testimony. Suppose, for instance, that the fact, which the testimony endeavours to establish, partakes of the extraordinary and the marvellous; in that case, the evidence, resulting from the testimony, admits of a diminution, greater or less, in proportion as the fact is more or less unusual."





"The plain consequence is (and it is a general maxim worthy of our attention), `That no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavours to establish' .. When anyone tells me, that he saw a dead man restored to life, I immediately consider with myself, whether it be more probable, that this person should either deceive or be deceived, or that the fact, which he relates, should really have happened. I weigh the one miracle against the other; and according to the superiority, which I discover, I pronounce my decision, and always reject the greater miracle. "



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