Saturday, October 24, 2009

How do the CHRISTIANS explain these kind of verses,?

Do they read the bible to their kids, with all this pornographic material ?????





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Ezekiel 23:20


There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.








You longed for….. youth, when in Egypt your buttocks were caressed and your young breasts fondled. “ (Holy Bible - Ezekiel 23:20-21)











The Bible in Leviticus 20:21 allows for parents to marry their children!





Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."





Song of Solomon 8:10 "Dear brothers, I'm a walled-in virgin still, but my breasts are full— And when my lover sees me, he knows he'll soon be satisfied."





Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies."





Song of Songs 1:13 "My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts."








Song of Songs 1:2-4 "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love (i.e., semen) more than wine. How right they are to adore you!"





Song of Songs 4:9 "You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace."





Song of Songs 5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe (i.e., she showed his breasts and vagina to him. Underwears and bras didn't exist back then!) must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him." What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister and/or about her brother like that!!

How do the CHRISTIANS explain these kind of verses,?
Later additions made for embarssments
Reply:Ezekiel is speaking of two sisters, who are metaphors for Samaria and Jerusalem. They pandered to the non-Jews in their youth, in all manner of forsaking their Judaism for the approval of the non-Jews, and allowed themselves to be turned into prostitutes of the non-Jews. Jerusalem should never, ever look to non-Jews to help her or to keep her safe, because only God will do that.


So the disgust that God feels is very descriptive here, extremely so.





And I don't think that anyone would allow their children to read it, not hardly. The concept can certainly be given across to the kids (Jews should never look to anyone but God for their well-being and survival, and don't be swayed by whatever pleasures the non-Jewish nations offer, if you will just forsake your Jewish values, etc. etc. etc.).





What's so difficult to understand about that?





As far as the verse in Leviticus that you refer to as saying that it gives permission for parents to marry their children, I have to wonder if you've never actually picked up a bible and read it. That is not what it says. The verse you chose is right in the middle of the prohibitions AGAINST incest. It says (from the Hebrew):


"(20) And a man who shall lie with his aunt will have uncovered the nakedness of his uncle (caused his uncle to look like a total fool), they shall bear their sin, they shall die childless.


(21) A man who shall take his brother's wife, it is loathsome; he will have uncovered his brother's shame (made his brother look like a fool); and they shall be childless."





So......where does it say there that a parent may marry their child?? It doesn't say that at all, it isn't even speaking about parents and children there. Which leads me to believe that you have just cut and pasted from some idiotic Muslim anti-Jewish or Neo-Nazi anti-Jewish website without even bothering to check it out -- enough people will believe it without checking it out themselves, is probably your hope isn't it.





As for the rest of your verses you quoted in Song of Songs, they do not refer to a brother and sister, they refer to two young lovers who are not brother and sister. As you will notice, it says "IF ONLY you WERE to me like a brother" because then she would be able to kiss him without drawing any raised eyebrows -- and without drawing any raised eyebrows means that the kiss would be the CHASTE kind, the normal kind between a brother and sister. Otherwise, she wouldn't be able to kiss him for long, now would she.





In other words, she is just wishing that she could be close to him, she would even settle for a brother-sister relationship if only she could be near him.





If it WERE a brother sister relationship, it would NOT be sexual. Incest is forbidden in the Torah, in the same area of Leviticus that you were so ignorantly and stupidly misquoting above where you said that it allows parents to marry their children.





So it's time for you to stop cutting and pasting this ignorance, once and for all. You do it every single day, under different names, and all you are succeeding at is making yourself look REALLY stupid.





Would YOU read the song of songs to YOUR children? Why do you assume that anyone else would either? That part is obviously for ADULTS. And the entire thing is holy. Too bad if you don't like that, or believe it. It's not your book, and you clearly have no understanding nor desire to understand it whatsoever, so stay out of it.





Let's see you go make ignorant remarks to your fellow Muslims about how they get to defile Allah's holy heaven with dirty sex with 72 virgins whose virginity is repaired over and over and over again so he can keep having sex with them in Allah's holy heaven and defiling it. Oh, and don't forget, that's for murdering innocent men, women, and children, too. Song of Songs is two lovers in love with each other, and they don't have to blow themselves up along with a busload of kids or a pizza parlour with women and babies in it, either.
Reply:If you are an atheist you don't need to care about this. IF you are Muslim then just see your own shirt.
Reply:sun god meet son of God. What a way to raise your kids. Or did you raise them by some other way?
Reply:The Song of Solomon was a love song. Christians don't have to "Explain" ANYTHING in the Old Testament. It was written for the Jews, not Christians. Most of it is a historical record and also prophecy of Christ's appearance on earth.





Christ fulfilled the Old Testament and gave us a New Covenant. We now live under God's Grace, not the Old Testament law (Mosaic Law).
Reply:Really helps if you read the WHOLE chapter in context instead of just picking a verse.





Ezekiel chapter 23 is speaking of 2 cities in Israel and the cities are being punished for many things, disobedience, idolatry etc.





The idolatries of Samaria and Jerusalem are represented in this chapter by the bad practices of two common harlots, for which God denounces severe judgments against them.








Leviticus 20 is speaking about adultery, a brother sleeping with his brothers wife.





Song of Songs/Solomon is speaking of the church and of Jerusalem and her people.








Solomon had in mind the relationship of God with His people and the acceptability of his forthcoming Temple in Jerusalem as the center of Israel’s worship. This suggestion is accentuated by the fact that God elsewhere speaks of His relationship with His people in similar terms.
Reply:Ezekiel 23 is talking about two adulterous sisters.


Song of Songs is about love.
Reply:My Bible has no book entitled the "Song of Songs" where do you find such a book in the Bible? Some of what you write is speaking of how beautiful one person finds another to be. There is no foul language. Most of these writings are complementary. Do you find this offensive? Are Christians not to compliment others and never think of having a sexual encounter? Do religious/Christian people have kids? How do you think those kids came into the world? When a person calls another "sister" are they really brother and sister? Or, is it just an expression (more so in the black community) an expression of like natured? Remember too--blood lines were pure back then. No ab-moralities, no laws or rules against it, not disease infested, fully compatible.
Reply:I have never seen a preacher say...





"Dear Children, today I am going to preach something special to you from the Word of God... 'Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies.'





And now for a further reading we turn to the divinely inspired Ezekiel... "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."





"And that concludes our sermon for today. God bless you all..."
Reply:The Song of Songs is a love story demonstrating the love between a husband and wife. Whats your problem with it?





Leviticus 20:21





'If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.





Tell me how the above quote allows a parent to marry their child?





Read Ezekial in context, the woman being described was a prostitute and metaphors are used to decribe her behaviour. Again whats your problem with it?





Perhaps you should just grow up a bit and come back when you no longer giggle every time someone says sex.





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Why would I want to explain it to a child? I would use common sense and judgement and read a different section of the Bible to a young child. If they were approaching puberty and I had spoken to them about sex then I would have no porblem reading these passages to them and explaining the context.





You haven't answered my question about Leviticus, how does it say a parent can marry a child? I have provided the quote for you.





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Also how did you come to the conclusion that the Song of Songs is referring to siblings? Please back up your claims.
Reply:*Ezekiel 23:20-21 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.





I don't know what translation you are using, but the words have been changed, which can totally misconstrue what is actually said.
Reply:I think that you meant to place this question in the Mile Long Forum. They answer things that take all night to answer there.





Go to the library and check out a Bible commentary.
Reply:they don't care if their kids read that crap!





go figure --





they sit in church together, and the parents encourage their kids to play cannibal each week, by going to an altar to drink blood and eat flesh!





you think reading bible-porn is gonna mess-them-up any more than ritual cannibalism every week??



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